1. Interesting, since Clement’s view of the Trinity is widely regarding as heretical in many respects by creedalists. Do you regard Clement of Alexandria as a Christian in the sense you promote?

  2. Can I take a stab at your question? From what I have read of Clement of Alexandria, I find it hard to classify him. I think it would be fair to say that he lacked precision and clarity in his statements on the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you look at the general drift of his writings however, he seems to be heading in the direction of the Orthodox view of the Trinity while making several statements that would be more consistent with Modalism on one hand and Subordinationism on the other.
    What do you think? Is that a fair characterization? Would you say he is closer to your view of God or Todd’s?

  3. Origen?

    You mean that you have never seen in his writings,

    “I am a fundamentalist baptist. Here are my badge and credentials to prove it.”

    But didn’t John the Baptist say that he was a fundamentalist Baptist? It is in one of those lost gospels, I think. 😉

  4. Origen is an interesting fellow in his hermeneutics. Preexistence of spirits? Male castration? Wow. If I went to his school, I would have probably received F’s in those two classes.

    It seems to me that in reacting against modalistic monarchianism, Origen, stepping into Clement’s position, went a little too far in his descriptions of subordinationism.

    Yahweh is El Elyon. Would Origen allow me to worship both Son and Spirit equally as Most High? I don’t know.

    But if Origen had lived in Mormon country, I wonder what he would have taught and wrote.

    The Son and the Spirit are not diminished gods in subordination to the Most High God. That is for sure.

    Living pre-Nicene, do you think that Origen would have made a good LDS apostle?

  5. Origen’s proximity in time to the Apostles makes his views on the Trinity somewhat relevant, don’t you think? Origen claims to have learned the doctrines of the Gospel from the presbyteroi, believed to be the elders ordained by the Apostles.

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