All spiritual sons and daughters of Heavenly Father?

The so-called “believers” in Christ had this assumption in John 8.

And certainly, today, the religious idea that we are all brothers and have the same Father generates warm, cozy feelings in the community.

But then Jesus says some very tough words, shattering the masquerade of brotherhood.

Yesterday, we looked at John 8:41-47.  It’s awful.  At one time as a young church goer, I did have another spiritual father.  I matched the evidences.

Thank God, in His undeserving grace, I have been set free from the old lying’, stinkin’ father.  All I can think of today is how can I demonstrate my love to the Lord Jesus Christ and my new Father.  My soul hangs on His words.



  1. Jesus was talking to the pharisees, and to a corrupted Israel in that passage. He wasn’t making any ontological statements about humanity. Nice try.

  2. You might not see yourself in that passage at all, Seth.

    But I saw myself big time.

    In thick darkness, needing the Light of the world . . .

    in bondage, needing the Truth to set me free . . .

    in awful sonship, needing the Father to spiritually put me in His family . . .

    I needed a supernatural miracle.

    On my knees, in our church prayer meeting this morning, I could hardly begin to express my heart joy and trembling thankfulness to the Lord Jesus Christ.

    In Christ alone, I cry, “Abba, Father.” I am thankful for the new evidences completely unknown to the old Todd Wood. I want to talk about Jesus and talk to Jesus all the time. I want to sing about Jesus (who cares about the other songs on the radio). I want to give gifts to Jesus (of course, He already owns it all). And I want to serve Jesus for the rest of my life.

    Something radically changed in my life. Here is part of it. I was released from the bondage of the old lyin’, stinkin’ father – the blasphemous, man-slaying, and misrepresenting jerk that he is.

  3. I didn’t say I didn’t see myself in the verses Todd. I’m not that confident.

    What I said was, that Christ was not making an ontological statement.

  4. John 20:17 – “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

  5. So is the Savior just acknowledging to this saved sinner about a relationship that has just always been?

    What would John’s Gospel say about that, Bryce?

  6. That doesn’t quite cover it Todd. Don’t forget, we Mormons believe in the Fall and our infinite estrangement from God too.

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